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  1. #31
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    I am amazed.

    Just run an aed off the locks, then, with no glass plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    I am amazed.

    Just run an aed off the locks, then, with no glass plate.
    No prob will do, but geez i wanted that glass plate - they are so cool.

    thanks again

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    You could get one made. they are only a piece of toughened glass with the appropriate holes made. If you made a template I am sure a good glass shop could get it made and probably supply the rubber grommetts with the steel lining sleeves too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    You could get one made. they are only a piece of toughened glass with the appropriate holes made. If you made a template I am sure a good glass shop could get it made and probably supply the rubber grommetts with the steel lining sleeves too.
    Chubby, some of your comments can be very misleading to new members who might actually consider them factual or good advice.

    The production of these glass plates, heat treated and toughened for safe and vault use is a bit more specialised than going to your local glass shop. To also suggest that they would probably have the matching rubber mounts and matching machined spacers to mount it in a safe door is ridiculous.

    For many decades I'd go as far as to say 90% or more of the glass plates encountered were made by Pilkingtons.
    Most are to BS3193 which is different to automotive glass but acts in a similar way in that it shatters into a million pieces when triggered.

    Whitepointer will probably find one if you really want one bad enough. They have been made in endless shapes and sizes over the years, with endless configurations of holes for keys, comb spindles, steel guides etc.
    It's probably ultimately down to what you are able to do and how far you're prepared to go to do it.

    Here's a selection I've kept over the years from Chubb, SLS, Manifoil to Tann Bankers shaped to fit around the boltwork.
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    The practise on older safes was more for the glass being held by the lock fixings through the glass. This needed the glass plate to clear everything on the lock, ie all the fixing holes, keyhole or spindle plus provision for the relocker wires, like those in the crate above.
    Nowadays it's more common for the glass to be held by a guide under a bridged mount plate, with the lock fixings blind into the plate above. This method only needs the hole for the keyway/spindle guide plus the relocker wires, like this one:
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    With regard to your Australian Commerce I would personally try and keep it all original, with perhaps the exception of an S&G 6730 lock, and wouldn't get overly excited with the glass and AED hype, but that's just me and ultimately only you can weigh things up and make that decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood View Post
    Chubby, some of your comments can be very misleading to new members who might actually consider them factual or good advice.

    The production of these glass plates, heat treated and toughened for safe and vault use is a bit more specialised than going to your local glass shop. To also suggest that they would probably have the matching rubber mounts and matching machined spacers to mount it in a safe door is ridiculous.

    For many decades I'd go as far as to say 90% or more of the glass plates encountered were made by Pilkingtons.
    Most are to BS3193 which is different to automotive glass but acts in a similar way in that it shatters into a million pieces when triggered.

    Whitepointer will probably find one if you really want one bad enough. They have been made in endless shapes and sizes over the years, with endless configurations of holes for keys, comb spindles, steel guides etc.
    It's probably ultimately down to what you are able to do and how far you're prepared to go to do it.

    Here's a selection I've kept over the years from Chubb, SLS, Manifoil to Tann Bankers shaped to fit around the boltwork.
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    The practise on older safes was more for the glass being held by the lock fixings through the glass. This needed the glass plate to clear everything on the lock, ie all the fixing holes, keyhole or spindle plus provision for the relocker wires, like those in the crate above.
    Nowadays it's more common for the glass to be held by a guide under a bridged mount plate, with the lock fixings blind into the plate above. This method only needs the hole for the keyway/spindle guide plus the relocker wires, like this one:
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    With regard to your Australian Commerce I would personally try and keep it all original, with perhaps the exception of an S&G 6730 lock, and wouldn't get overly excited with the glass and AED hype, but that's just me and ultimately only you can weigh things up and make that decision.

    Brilliant contribution Huw, And the additional advice on keeping it original was the kick in the pants i needed as i have been getting a little too carried away. It's the tinkering man in me that just wants to keep playing in the shed. The added advantage of internet information turns me into one hell of a mad scientist at times.

    Thank you so much.

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ID:	20541 Huw, here is what you get when you don't use the correct type of glass. Hope this is a help Tim
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    Quote Originally Posted by T Davison View Post
    Huw, here is what you get when you don't use the correct type of glass. Hope this is a help Tim

    Here's what you can get even if you use the correct type of glass.

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ID:	20542 There is no guarantee that the glass has been evenly tempered unless every plate is tested !!

    It would be normal practice to have random quality control tests on every order but that's not a perfect solution. Care must be exercised in positioning the point of attachment of the re-locker to ensure that the release can only be entirely outwards.

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    Default Glass Plates - the origins.

    All this talk of glass plates prompts me to ask if I'm alone in the belief that the concept came originally from the Ministry of Works security team who were responsible for Crown Post Office premises, safes, and strongrooms.

    In conjunction with the Stratford Safe Company in the late 1960's a safe with revolutionary lock and boltwork combined with a tempered glass plate connected to a pair of cross-locking re-lockers was designed and produced at Borehamwood and named the Stratford Treasury.

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ID:	20543 With subsequent company acquisitions this became the Ratner 8500 and Tann Fortress.

    I would welcome any alternative thoughts on the original concept as my memory could be playing tricks again.
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    Very interesting
    Last edited by Huw Eastwood; 01-12-18 at 06:36 PM.

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    One of the Aussie or NZ fellas showed a patent for John tann by inventor ugo Bernard that mentions a glass protection plate in 1964/65
    Earliest Chubb one I can think of is TDR safe late 60's

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