Mr. MacQueen,

On my Ely-Norris safe, the trim ring around the Y-361 timelock does not have a cut out or notch around the timelock cover hinge. So there it is impossible to remove the trim ring from around the brass timelock case without taking out the part that holds the watch mechanisms. That gives access to four bolts that secures the case to the safe door. The brass timelock case has to be removed to get the trim ring off. So I did that which expose the locking mechanism.

I did not disassemble the lock works, other than to take off the gear that engages the spring motor. It is keyed so can only go back one way. I put it back with the engraved numbers facing out which is how the gear came off. It has play in it by way of two slots and can rotate about a quarter turn. This seems to be so that when the locking bolts are released then the gear can rotate without having to wind the spring motor. Otherwise the release springs would be fighting against the winding springs. Right??

I think when I removed the part holding the clocks from the brass case, then the spring motor might or must have come unwound some and lost tension. I just cannot remember. I have never removed the spring motor from the case and would not be dumb enough to mess with it. It looks fine and I have sprayed it with WD-40 and then some Remington Gun oil. There seem to be two of them.

Because of the way the time lock case must be removed for the trim ring around it to be removed, I am at a loss to figure out how to put the clocks and case with the spring motor back together. There is no way that I can see to assemble the two together and install as a single unit. The clock mechanism blocks access to the four bolts that secure the base to the safe door.

Here is a picture of the timelock winding disc, but with it detached from the spring motor it can rotate to most any position. The lug on the back has a bevel so that it attaches to the spring motor only in one way.


Hope you can help me.


Jody Sims