Tom, I am moving this discussion from the "Help ID large floor safe" thread so it isn't buried. I don't have quite the vested interest in the safe challenge as you, being aware of your affinity of all things Chatwood. However, I have been doing some researching on the topic and have some differing viewpoints of the affair. I have not yet completed "The Battle of The Safes" by George Augustus Sala, printed in 1868 London and found online. This appears to be the most complete description of the challenge and shall we say, a bit biased. Some of this bias exists because of differences that existed in the two countries, the U.S. and the UK. Anyone interested in this topic should check out the book I mentioned as that will help to understand further posts. Doug