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    Default Old safe with unusual interlaced outer skin

    Unusual interlaced outer armour.

    I first thought the crenelated outer plates were added post production but the numbers stamped on top edge go over the outer plate.

    Can't believe the rough finish

    Anyone shed any light on this please?
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    Door and boltcase looks similar to some Phillip's safes Alan, they often used the round nuts and similar hinges with the step half way down, but I think without the flutes and mostly chamfered to the door.
    That wacky castellated outer skin doesnt ring any bells though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Morgan View Post
    Unusual interlaced outer armour.

    I first thought the crenelated outer plates were added post production but the numbers stamped on top edge go over the outer plate.

    Can't believe the rough finish

    Anyone shed any light on this please?

    Alan, in the mid 1850's this method of joining the body plates was not uncommon if the need for heavier plates was desirable either to give resistance against physical dismemberment or to create a stronger structure for fire resistance and masonry collapse which after all was the original intention of the word 'safe'.

    Chatwood also used this method from the 1860's by machine dovetailing which gave a much stronger union but without the obvious plenished finish on the surface.

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ID:	21292 This is an early Whitfield. It has always been an accepted fact that body plates of ¼'' or more cannot be ripped by hand tools.

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    I'm astonished it left the works without being finished / smoothed / trimmed / filled whatever to stop it looking like a novice piece. Could easily get a chisel against the bits sticking out

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    hi guys. i can confirm the back of one of my milners is made on the same method.
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