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  1. #1
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    Hi There. I was wondering if anyone could provide any info on a Chatwood safe that I've come across whilst helping my parents move house. From the wording on the lock plate, it seems to be a "Times Universal Safe"?. Inner dimensions of the box are approx 19" x 12". The embossed lettering on the internal top of the door reads "THE TIMES UNIVERSAL No1 LIST1" followed by some faint serial(?) code which I believe reads "6189". I'd love to get some info on when it was manufactured, plus a rough idea of its value.
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    Many Thanks

    Richard
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    Quote Originally Posted by RABM View Post
    Hi There. I was wondering if anyone could provide any info on a Chatwood safe that I've come across whilst helping my parents move house. From the wording on the lock plate, it seems to be a "Times Universal Safe"?. Inner dimensions of the box are approx 19" x 12". The embossed lettering on the internal top of the door reads "THE TIMES UNIVERSAL No1 LIST1" followed by some faint serial(?) code which I believe reads "6189". I'd love to get some info on when it was manufactured, plus a rough idea of its value.
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    Many Thanks

    Richard
    Your Chatwood was made approximately in 1860. Marked as a List1 makes it the lowest quality the Company manufactured and in fact this title List 1 was shortly afterwards conferred to their top opening chests and renamed as the List2.
    The size 1 originally measured 24"x 18" x18", The body plates could be " wrought iron plate and the door probably ⅜" thick. (Subject to your confirmation).

    The wording on the escutcheon and on the inside of the door - Times Universal - is a mystery. At a guess Chatwood may have made these safes for an agent or distributor as was prevalent at the time as his company was newly formed and unknown.

    As for value - nothing purely as a safe but the escutcheon might be a rarity, the Phoenix suggesting it's fire resistant qualities as was commonly used at the time.

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