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Thread: Chatwood safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    Slightly OT, but does anybody remember an old Ratner with a top combination lock and a bottom key lock? The combination lock not only locked the boltwork, but also slid a cover down to block the keyway for the keylock.
    Yep they were nice safes often single skin bodies, we had the chance of a few being scrapped in the late 80s but we didn't have the space.

    I have a couple of the Yale comb locks which operated the Ratner keyhole shutters, the shutter plates were flimsy compared to the high end Chatwood stuff focused in this thread though.
    https://www.antique-locks.com/showth...ht=Ratner+Yale

    Tom let's see some pics then.
    Huw

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    Crumbs, yes they were. We used to have to enclose them in a brick pillar. (That was common enough where I was at the time,but it was required for those).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    Slightly OT, but does anybody remember an old Ratner with a top combination lock and a bottom key lock? The combination lock not only locked the boltwork, but also slid a cover down to block the keyway for the keylock.
    Chubby, the 1920's heavy Ratners - List 6 & 7 and later the Grade 7- were offered with 2 keylocks plus the option of the Ratner Letter Lock to close off the keyway. On the Grade 7 (below right) the 3 horizontal arrows show the live 'Safety Bolt' at the top and 2 dead 'Safety Bolts' on the left. The vertical arrow shows part of the servo bar from the letter lock. As far as I know Ratner was the first to use an anti-explosive device - the dead one in 1913 and the live one in 1918. I daresay the Letter Lock was superseded by the 1930's.
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    Was the letter lock a blister covering the keyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    Was the letter lock a blister covering the keyway?
    Sorry Chubby, don't understand the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safeman View Post
    Chubby, the 1920's heavy Ratners - List 6 & 7 and later the Grade 7- were offered with 2 keylocks plus the option of the Ratner Letter Lock to close off the keyway. On the Grade 7 (below right) the 3 horizontal arrows show the live 'Safety Bolt' at the top and 2 dead 'Safety Bolts' on the left. The vertical arrow shows part of the servo bar from the letter lock. As far as I know Ratner was the first to use an anti-explosive device - the dead one in 1913 and the live one in 1918. I daresay the Letter Lock was superceded by the 1930's.
    Those Ratners List 6 and 7s are amazing, way above the model I was referring in response to chubby's question but clearly on par with Chatwood's top offerings.

    Come on Tom lets see some pics over Xmas hols.
    Huw

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    How did the letter lock obscure the keyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood View Post
    Those Ratners List 6 and 7s are amazing, way above the model I was referring in response to chubby's question but clearly on par with Chatwood's top offerings.

    Come on Tom lets see some pics over Xmas hols.
    Huw! You are a naughty boy! You have the orange which Santa left and you know that you can't play with new toys until after breakfast - so calm down, brush your teeth and get dressed properly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubby View Post
    How did the letter lock obscure the keyway?
    On the Chatwood the 4 lettered dials when correctly set, allowed the middle 5th dial to turn which pivoted a hardened plate (in between the keylock and the back of the door) away, exposing the keyhole of the keylock

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    How wonderful. I was thinking of the little hinged units that used to be fitted over the keyway of government safes. There was a CM Manifoil lock which had to be opened and a door hinged open. They provided an effective dual control, but that was not the purpose.

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