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    Default Royal Key



    Thanks Huw,

    Is this forum spread world-wide or/and mainly in the USA?

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    Yes it reaches far and wide from the UK, Europe and USA to China, Australia, and New Zealand..

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    Absolutely correct - we have a strong following in all the English speaking countries but also a good following where English is the second language.

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    It's a good quality key, nicely turned.

    Part of the Bowles family were well-known and prosperous in the print-selling and stationary trade in London. The Carington Bowles who is the subject of this thread (yes, only ONE 'R') went into trade, and is well-known for some important series of prints. However, they could certainly claim to be Gentlemen. A family tree is on Ancestry.com for anyone with a subscription to see.

    The family members traded from several premises mostly in London, but some also in Westminster, during the 18C. Carington Bowles finally lived at Kensington Gore, which later became the site of the Royal Albert Hall. Folk in those days walked much more, but this is 4miles from St Pauls, (near 2hours walk) suggesting he at least had a horse, but more likely, a carriage — which would make the journey in under ½hour.

    Following the suppression of the monasteries, St Paul's cathedral lost its precincts. Along the south side, a row of near derelict mausoleums and outbuildings was rebuilt and converted into a row of shops, and a new street formed, named 'St Pauls Churchyard'. It soon became a centre of the stationery and print-selling trade (so it is curious that Chubb later opened his London showroom there).

    Bowles and Carver (1763-1830) Partnership of (Henry) Carington Bowles II (son of Carington Bowles I) and Samuel Carver, continuing the Bowles business in St Paul's Churchyard, London, 1793-1832. In 1818, Bowles built Myddelton House in Enfield.
    Bowles, Carington (1724-93) Son of John Bowles to whom he was apprenticed in 1741, and with whom he was in partnership as John Bowles & Son, at the Black Horse, Cornhill, London, from 1752 or 1753. He later took over the business of his uncle, Thomas Bowles II in St Paul's Churchyard. It has been assumed that Carington moved to St Paul's Churchyard in 1767 when Thomas II died, but the date 1766 appears with Carington's name as publisher at St Paul's Churchyard on a portrait of Lord Camden (Faber Junior, Chaloner Smith, 52.II). When Carington died the business passed to his son (Henry) Carington Bowles.
    Bowles, John (1701?-1779) Print publisher. Younger brother of Thomas Bowles II. From 1723 ran a print shop at Mercers' Hall, Cheapside, London, moving in 1733 to the Black Horse, Cornhill. In 1752 or 1753 his son Carington Bowles became a partner and for the next ten years they traded as John Bowles & Son. The shop was damaged by fire in 1766 and the business moved back temporarily to Mercers' Hall, Cheapside. By 1768 its address was 13 Cornhill (possibly the same premises as the former Black Horse). John Bowles died a rich man and his stock was taken over by Robert Wilkinson.
    Bowles, Thomas (c.1695-1767) Print publisher and engraver. In about 1715 took over the business in St Paul's Churchyard, London, founded by his father, Thomas Bowles I. His nephew, Carington Bowles took over c.1763; at his death in 1793 the business passed to his son Henry Carington Bowles, known as Carington Bowles II, who traded in partnership with Samuel Carver until about 1832. See also Thomas Bowles II, his son, and John Bowles, his younger brother.
    Bowles, Thomas (fl. 1691-1721) Print publisher. Founder of the family business in St Paul's Churchyard, London. See Thomas Bowles II for a history of the business.
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    hi,

    i am collecting old keys, all are older than 200 years
    and i have got some english keys but in this case i can not help you.

    do you know william wallace?
    he wrote a book about english keys last year, maybe he can help you.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lure-Key-Kn.../dp/1910787256

    https://books.google.de/books/about/...ir_esc=y&hl=de

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    Default Sotheby auction 28 April 2016

    http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/...04/lot.78.html
    these keys to royal parks have similar infill tags

    Catalogue Note

    This rare set of keys, inscribed with the titles of its former owners, the Dukes of St Albans, provides a fascinating insight into the privileges of access granted to aristocratic London residents around 1800. The late 18th century saw an increased demand for private access to the royal parks, leading to the building of private gates to Hyde Park in the 1790s, with keys licensed individually by King George III. Although this practice was seemingly short-lived – in 1804 the monarch ceased to allow for such gates to be built – keys clearly continued to be issued by his successor, George IV, whose emblem is engraved on the bow of one of the present keys. Four of the keys are further inscribed with the names of the parks or respective gates to which they belonged, providing a valuable record of these historical entrances.

    The dating of one of the keys to 1797 indicates that Aubrey Beauclerk, 5th Duke of St Albans (1740-1802), was among the privileged few to be granted exclusive access to the royal parks by George III. A prominent member of his family, Beauclerk was famed for being an avid collector of antiquities, which he assembled during his travels to Rome and displayed at his London residence. His ducal title, along with the title of Hereditary Grand Falconer, passed to two of his sons, first Aubrey (6th Duke), and later William (8th Duke).

    Compare a group of keys formerly in the Peter Phillips Collection, sold Sotheby's Olympia, 20 November 2002, lots 495 and 496.

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    Default Royal key mystery

    Thanks to everyone ! Great information and mystery now solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveham View Post
    Thanks to everyone ! Great information and mystery now solved.
    daveham that's great news, but you can't escape that easy! Now the mystery is solved, you'll have to tell us everything!
    What turned out to be the reason for the double 'R' in the first name?

    Has your key turned out to be such an example like chubbbramah posted?

    I think a big thanks to chubbbramah for posting some very detailed info there, every day's a school day as the saying goes, totally unaware of private access granted to the Royal parks, or of the additional gates and the licensed keys associated with it.

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    Huw,

    Regrettably I have nothing to tell ! Regardng the double T in Carrington(Carington) I can only assume tat it was an error on behalf of the engraver and yes I would think that it falls in to the category of keys described in Chubbs interesting post.

    Looks like the beers are on me tonight, and tomorrow and the night after.....

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    Just get him a private gate key for the brewery..

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