Mystery Star Shaped Escutcheon

[Sam Kremer]

Curiously, there are a couple of those coat of arms badges on Ebay currently. Do they look pre-1837? not that I am a heraldic expert.

Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman's arms.

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[Tom Gordon]

Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman's arms.

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Also a Kings crown is different to a queens - the queens one rises from the middle before it drops on both sides

[Sam Kremer]

Not quite. Queen Elizabeth wears the Imperial State Crown which is the crown she usually wears when opening parliament etc. If you look at that one, it is similar to what most people usually call the 'King's Crown'. The St Edwards Crown is the one used in her cypher and was worn by her on her coronation, and is thus on most military crests, badges etc. But, as queen, she has worn both - although she hadn't worn the St Edward's crown in the 60 years since she was crowned...

[Tom Gordon]

Not quite. Queen Elizabeth wears the Imperial State Crown which is the crown she usually wears when opening parliament etc. If you look at that one, it is similar to what most people usually call the 'King's Crown'. The St Edwards Crown is the one used in her cypher and was worn by her on her coronation, and is thus on most military crests, badges etc. But, as queen, she has worn both - although she hadn't worn the St Edward's crown in the 60 years since she was crowned...

Very interesting Thankyou, but on U.K. safe plaques, I struggle to think of an example where these 2 crowns havenÂ’t given us an idea of dating- although there were also a very few other crowns used as well.