Mystery Star Shaped Escutcheon

[oldlock]

I think it's from a no-name third tier victorian maker with spurious markings.

For the markings to have been 'right' for Chubb it would have been pre-1830 or thereabouts with a large direct throw iron door lock with a much bigger key.

[Warren63]

I think it's from a no-name third tier victorian maker with spurious markings.

For the markings to have been 'right' for Chubb it would have been pre-1830 or thereabouts with a large direct throw iron door lock with a much bigger key.

It never even occurred to me that key size could/would be a way to rule Chubb out. I've tried my early Chubb safe keys out of curiosity rather than unbelief and your certainly right Oldlock. That's the difference between a professional and a collector, collectors hope they have something special whereas professionals know when they have something special. Thanks once again.

[chubbbramah]

Remember also, how Mr Chubb railed against unscrupulous 19C safemakers who bought-in unsuitable genuine Chubb locks (usually cabinet locks, as Chubb did not sell safe locks to any other maker) so they could truthfully mark their safe (a 'jewelled gew-gaw', as Mr Chubb described them) "Chubb Lock".

[oldlock]

Indeed - like this one on ebay at the moment :

[Warren63]

Indeed - like this one on ebay at the moment :

. So this is not a genuine Chubb safe and only has an inferior chubb lock that Chubb would not put on one of their own branded safes?

[chubbbramah]

Correct - usually a drawer lock; and in those days, likely fitted to shoot upwards.

[chubbbramah]

Indeed - like this one on ebay at the moment :

Curiously, there are a couple of those coat of arms badges on Ebay currently. Do they look pre-1837? not that I am a heraldic expert.

[Gerard Moonen]

Does anyone know it?

[Tom Gordon]

Does anyone know it?

"Currently Protected"? Is that a bad translation??

[Sam Kremer]

Curiously, there are a couple of those coat of arms badges on Ebay currently. Do they look pre-1837? not that I am a heraldic expert.

Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman's arms.

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