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  1. #21
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    Blimey Tom that's half as long as Gerard's original list, very impressive you must have hundreds of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood View Post
    you must have hundreds of them.
    Not "hundreds"

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    Just remembered this contender- don't recall seeing the container it was off unfortunetely. It's nothing unusual when closed and looks like a Carron-type cast iron safe escutcheon for a large warded pipe key, until you slide and flip the top to reveal the two small and opposing keyholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood View Post
    Just remembered this contender- don't recall seeing the container it was off unfortunetely. It's nothing unusual when closed and looks like a Carron-type cast iron safe escutcheon for a large warded pipe key, until you slide and flip the top to reveal the two small and opposing keyholes.
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    That IS unusual -for early two way boltwork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubbbramah View Post
    Curiously, there are a couple of those coat of arms badges on Ebay currently. Do they look pre-1837? not that I am a heraldic expert.
    Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman's arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Kremer View Post
    Those arms are post 1837. A change in the Royal arms occurred in 1837 when Victoria ascended the throne. She was unable to ascend to Hanoverian throne, as she was a woman. Thus the central escutcheon (shield) of the house of Hanover was removed from the Royal arms. That central shield on the safe is also a lozenge (diamond) which was often used to depict a woman's arms.

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    Also a Kings crown is different to a queens - the queens one rises from the middle before it drops on both sides

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    Not quite. Queen Elizabeth wears the Imperial State Crown which is the crown she usually wears when opening parliament etc. If you look at that one, it is similar to what most people usually call the 'King's Crown'. The St Edwards Crown is the one used in her cypher and was worn by her on her coronation, and is thus on most military crests, badges etc. But, as queen, she has worn both - although she hadn't worn the St Edward's crown in the 60 years since she was crowned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Kremer View Post
    Not quite. Queen Elizabeth wears the Imperial State Crown which is the crown she usually wears when opening parliament etc. If you look at that one, it is similar to what most people usually call the 'King's Crown'. The St Edwards Crown is the one used in her cypher and was worn by her on her coronation, and is thus on most military crests, badges etc. But, as queen, she has worn both - although she hadn't worn the St Edward's crown in the 60 years since she was crowned...
    Very interesting Thankyou, but on U.K. safe plaques, I struggle to think of an example where these 2 crowns haven’t given us an idea of dating- although there were also a very few other crowns used as well.

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