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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Moonen View Post
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    "Currently Protected"? Is that a bad translation??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Gordon View Post
    "Currently Protected"? Is that a bad translation??
    No, it means "protected by law"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Moonen View Post
    No, it means "protected by law"
    I have no idea whose escutcheon it is I am afraid - it isnt like any I have.
    "Protected by law" presumably means that the lock is patented?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Gordon View Post
    I have no idea whose escutcheon it is I am afraid - it isnt like any I have.
    "Protected by law" presumably means that the lock is patented?
    Correct Tom, it was from a German safe I openend some time ago.
    And yes, I believe they mean that the lock is protected.

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    Well that is one fancy escutcheon! Are you able to tell us how much you know about it Gerard after having opened the safe and worked on the lock etc?

    Didnt see much fancy stuff from continental Europe here in UK but from what little I know a quick process of elimination would really narrow things down;

    Makers of ornate safes from continental europe = Loads

    German makers only = Much Less

    Same again with double-bitted key only = Much Less again

    Same again with sharp wedges on the key bits = Much Less again

    Same again with Patent/Registered design protection etc = Not Many

    Strikes me as odd that if the lock/key system was Patented or protected that they would put the tiny 'protected by law' mark on the escutcheon, but then you have the additional knowledge having opened the safe and having worked on the lock so you know if the lock/keys were anything special or not?

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    A few years ago I made a list of German safe manufacturers.
    I'm sure it is far from complete, but hey.. it's a start

    Ostertag, Aalen
    August Brebeck, Barmen
    S.J. Arnheim, Berlin
    C. Brandes, Berlin
    Walter Burmeister, Berlin
    Fabian, Berlin
    Panzer AG, Berlin
    Seifert, Berlin
    F.E. Baum, Chemnitz
    A. Effenberger, Coeln
    R. Hessel, Dresden
    Carl Richter, Dresden
    Peter Adolphs, Dusseldorf
    Hammeran, Frankfurt
    Bernh. Löffler, Frankfurt a/M
    Anton Kern, Gera
    Rudolf Speck, Halle
    H.C.E. Eggers & Co, Hamburg
    Bode-Panzer, Hannover-Berlin-Hamburg
    F. Schmidt, Hamburg
    G. Verclas, Hannover
    Müller Safe, Herborn
    M. Gaul, Köln
    Carl Kastner, Leipzig
    R. Thümmel , Leipzig
    Leopold Walther, Leipzig
    L. Härtel, Limbach
    Grohmann, Luckenwalde
    Consentius, Magdenburg
    J.P. Petzold, Magdenburg
    Purcel, Magdenburg
    Sommermeyer, Magdeburg
    Simon, Nürnberg
    Leicher, Munchen
    Gümbel, Siegbach
    Carl Ade, Stuttgart
    Wilhelm Rupp & sohn, Ulm
    W. Philippi, Wiesbaden
    P. Sirch & sohn, Würzburg
    Willibald Jacob, Zwickau
    Cerberus
    Söflinger
    Wertheim
    Lampertz
    Sistec
    Burg-Wachter



    Quote Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood View Post
    Well that is one fancy escutcheon! Are you able to tell us how much you know about it Gerard after having opened the safe and worked on the lock etc?

    Didnt see much fancy stuff from continental Europe here in UK but from what little I know a quick process of elimination would really narrow things down;

    Makers of ornate safes from continental europe = Loads

    German makers only = Much Less

    Same again with double-bitted key only = Much Less again

    Same again with sharp wedges on the key bits = Much Less again

    Same again with Patent/Registered design protection etc = Not Many

    Strikes me as odd that if the lock/key system was Patented or protected that they would put the tiny 'protected by law' mark on the escutcheon, but then you have the additional knowledge having opened the safe and having worked on the lock so you know if the lock/keys were anything special or not?

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    Tried to upload an MP4 film from the opening, but it failed.
    How can I post such a movie on this forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood View Post
    Well that is one fancy escutcheon! Are you able to tell us how much you know about it Gerard after having opened the safe and worked on the lock etc?

    Didnt see much fancy stuff from continental Europe here in UK but from what little I know a quick process of elimination would really narrow things down;

    Makers of ornate safes from continental europe = Loads

    German makers only = Much Less

    Same again with double-bitted key only = Much Less again

    Same again with sharp wedges on the key bits = Much Less again

    Same again with Patent/Registered design protection etc = Not Many

    Strikes me as odd that if the lock/key system was Patented or protected that they would put the tiny 'protected by law' mark on the escutcheon, but then you have the additional knowledge having opened the safe and having worked on the lock so you know if the lock/keys were anything special or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard Moonen View Post
    A few years ago I made a list of German safe manufacturers.
    I'm sure it is far from complete, but hey.. it's a start

    Ostertag, Aalen
    August Brebeck, Barmen
    S.J. Arnheim, Berlin
    C. Brandes, Berlin
    Walter Burmeister, Berlin
    Fabian, Berlin
    Panzer AG, Berlin
    Seifert, Berlin
    F.E. Baum, Chemnitz
    A. Effenberger, Coeln
    R. Hessel, Dresden
    Carl Richter, Dresden
    Peter Adolphs, Dusseldorf
    Hammeran, Frankfurt
    Bernh. Löffler, Frankfurt a/M
    Anton Kern, Gera
    Rudolf Speck, Halle
    H.C.E. Eggers & Co, Hamburg
    Bode-Panzer, Hannover-Berlin-Hamburg
    F. Schmidt, Hamburg
    G. Verclas, Hannover
    Müller Safe, Herborn
    M. Gaul, Köln
    Carl Kastner, Leipzig
    R. Thümmel , Leipzig
    Leopold Walther, Leipzig
    L. Härtel, Limbach
    Grohmann, Luckenwalde
    Consentius, Magdenburg
    J.P. Petzold, Magdenburg
    Purcel, Magdenburg
    Sommermeyer, Magdeburg
    Simon, Nürnberg
    Leicher, Munchen
    Gümbel, Siegbach
    Carl Ade, Stuttgart
    Wilhelm Rupp & sohn, Ulm
    W. Philippi, Wiesbaden
    P. Sirch & sohn, Würzburg
    Willibald Jacob, Zwickau
    Cerberus
    Söflinger
    Wertheim
    Lampertz
    Sistec
    Burg-Wachter
    I had a feeling that you knew a fair bit more than we did which was why I asked Gerard, that's a pretty comprehensive list by any standards! Was the lock/keys a Patented or protected design though?

    If you send the video to Brian the Team Leader at the top of the page he'll sort it out for you. It will of course need to be suitable material for the public forum though, not showing actual opening methods or techniques.

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    I might have missed some in my plaque collection,some might not be German and some might not be safes but:-
    you could also add
    Herm Krause Berlin
    CL Kopper Berlin
    J Kotters Berlin
    Tresorstahl Berlin-Reinickendorf
    There was both M and P Fabian in Berlin
    C Rob Drechsler & Wagner
    Herthau B Cheminitz
    Franz Purcel Magdeburgh
    Pohl Schrioder Dortmund
    FR Rahn Berlin
    Verlohr
    Braune & Roth Leipzig
    E Kuchenmeister Frankfurt a/o
    Otto Gabriel Dresden a
    Schiffers Mannheim
    Carl Herman Nurnberg
    cL Koppen Berlin sw
    stacke Aachen
    Otto Meyer Berlin
    E Bernstyein Berlin
    Julius Schuler HamburgG Lindener Berlin c
    A Elsner Berlin Linden strasse 94
    Heini Luders Braunschneig

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