Diebold Constellation

[Doug MacQueen]

I am positive I have never seen those in hinges in person, but pretty sure I have seen a photo of one, possibly on this forum. Not that it looks like any of the few Damon's I have seen, I will go with that. Or even a foreign maker. Seriously doubt any of the big U.S. makers. Wylk where are you?

[wylk]

I don't recall seeing anything like this so I didn't have much to say. The two-part crane hinge (and the adjusting screws) and the pressure system look quite different from what we are used to. The paint job is sad but I'll guess it's not original. Probably very early (1900s?) and probably not North American but that's pure speculation on my part.

And not related to the Constellation

[T Davison]

This door is a Herring & Marvin. The locks are Dexters with LOBC.The LOBC are with a flat key. There is a time lock That is a S&G model #2. The bolt work is a Farrel & Herring design. The only date is on the dial of the deter lock, Aug 24 1868. I open this about 10 years ago. This is the start of the Diebold vault door systems. From the handle with the ball on the ends to the compression system on a single pin hinges . I'll post more picture. I have to resize them.
Tim

[wylk]

Pure speculation got me where it usually does. I'll blame Doug because he prodded me

I'm looking forward to a few more pictures.

[Doug MacQueen]

Wow, that's a bit of a surprise. So I have seen Herring Hall and now Herring Marvin. Obviously both occuring prior to Herring-Hall-Marvin. That makes it sound like Herring initiated the mergers. That would put the around 1895? Not sure what you mean by mentioning a Diebold connection. They were making their own doors earlier than this door.

[T Davison]

[T Davison]

[T Davison]

[T Davison]

In 1865 John Ferral patented with Herring a banker safe that has all the characteristic of Farrel,Herring ,Marvin ,Diebold vaults up about the 1960's. From the bolts to how the bolt work is fasten to the door. The style of fasteners to the spacing. The locks used to the mounting location of the locks. The compressor system is the other given. In 1871 Diebold changed there hinge side compressor block, to swing with the door. This was on the Farrel safe in1865. If you look at the Diebold vaults, RH/LH 140 to the constellation you can see the influence Farrel and Herring had on the hinges to the Crane hinges type systems. This is just a small sample of the influence These men had on the safe and vault world. hope you enjoy this Tim

[Huw Eastwood]

wouldn’t have guessed Herring & Marvin in a million years ! The boltworks quite attractive for such a utilitarian appearance from the front, almost Lego-like, and the lever operated rack and pinions on the door front driving the pressure bars really unusual. Only doors I could think of with the continuous pins straight through the crane hinge was round door Hibbard Rodman Ely’s, but I could see this clearly wasn’t theirs. Nice photos too, well done tim