Key made for a 4 Johnson "Cleveland" Farebox??

**Zsem** · 13-10-14, 07:26 PM

umping to see if anyone has any experience with these locks!

**oldbiscuit** · 13-10-14, 09:09 PM

So is the problem getting key blanks or figuring the actual key cuts? If the lock has been picked to the open position, it looks like one could remove the screw that holds the tang on the back and possably remove the lock core. If the core will come out, one should be able to measure the pins hights and spacings and transfer those dimensions to a key blank.

**BBE** · 13-10-14, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by oldbiscuit

So is the problem getting key blanks or figuring the actual key cuts? If the lock has been picked to the open position, it looks like one could remove the screw that holds the tang on the back and possably remove the lock core. If the core will come out, one should be able to measure the pins hights and spacings and transfer those dimensions to a key blank.

Not quite. It is first of all a lever tumbler lock and there are eight of them in it. When removing the plug it is highly likely that one or more of those lever tumblers will jump to the ground. I have a number of different styles of Cleveland 4-Way lock and have taken a picture of a few.

From 12 o'clock, a bolt lock that locks both sides of a farebox door, what the inside back of the bolt type looks like, cam type lock, desk or cabinet type lock, a typical plug and one of the lever tumblers and two keys in the middle.

I have never made the keys to this batch ad all the ones that I made keys for are gone. Naturally they also made padlocks. I have seen two styles, a large oval body and a rectangular body. Both bodies are typically bronze.
BBE.

**Timothy** · 14-10-14, 05:11 PM

I don't think going to find the original key blank for it. As I was looking into some key catalog of finding something the may work as may end up have to file it to make it work. In Borkey key catalog go to page 43 and 44 maybe can be it or go to 108 Cruciform key blank. Like I said may have to file it to fit the keyway. The other way only if have money to do this to find a machine shop the will make key blank for it. Otherwise need to keep checking into e-Bay to find these key. If come up with anything new will let you know. This is only of what I found so far. Good Luck..Timothy...

**Zsem** · 14-10-14, 06:33 PM

All,

Appreciate the input thus far! I would love to find someone that can make keys for these locks as I think they add to farebox! I also like to keep everything original as possible! I have looked on ebaY for anyone selling these types of locks to no avail! Am I correct in stating that these are referred to as Chicago 4 way locks?

If anyone knows of someone that could make keys for these please let me know. If anyone knows someone selling this type of lock with keys, again, please let me know!

Thanks again!!!

**Timothy** · 14-10-14, 07:17 PM

I don't think is Chicage Lock at they never make 4-way keyway. It should be Cleveland 4 way keyway. As making key for it I don't know very much of any machine shop make key in your area that will do it. You may have to check around to find one that will do it or outside of your state. I use to know one guy here that will do it but he retire a long time ago. Just keep looking as it may take time or who know maybe someone here on this forum may know someone does. Good luck...Timoty....

**Pschiffe** · 15-10-14, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Timothy

I don't think is Chicage Lock at they never make 4-way keyway. It should be Cleveland 4 way keyway. As making key for it I don't know very much of any machine shop make key in your area that will do it. You may have to check around to find one that will do it or outside of your state. I use to know one guy here that will do it but he retire a long time ago. Just keep looking as it may take time or who know maybe someone here on this forum may know someone does. Good luck...Timoty....

The National Locksmith Guide to Antique Padlocks (c) 1990 by Jack Roberts, CML has detailed information on the Cleveland 4-Way on pg. 16-17. Mr. Roberts states, we have found no practical manner of producing an operating key for these locks without disassembly which requires drilling and/or otherwise defacing the lock.

Pete Schifferli

**Timothy** · 07-04-16, 10:16 PM

Sorry to heard you lost the bit...Dang....Well just don't give up not finding any to duplicate key for the lock. I'm sure one of these day there going to be someone. I just wish I has one like your just to look at it to get some idea of what it all about.....Keep trying....Timothy....

**Timothy** · 07-05-18, 02:49 PM

Zsem
Have not heard word about your lock. On weekend looking into eBay found this. But it expire on May 6. Maybe can re-check it out.....Timohy.....< https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cleveland-O...-/153005327874 >