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  1. #251
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    Gary tbh a Hobb's Bankers rings a distant bell with me too, although I have to admit I can't really remember seeing anything I do recall mention of it here and there and also on the net.

    A quick look at safeman's website shows reference to a Hobb's Hart Bankers but can't see mention of a Hobb's or Hobb's Hart Branch Bank, so it seems a bit reversed from what's in the Tann guide which lists the Branch Bank but no Bankers, under Hobbs or Hobb's Hart.
    Saying that though the Hobb's listing in the Tann guide does seem pretty odd with the Progress C's grouped with the E's in the grade above the D's...

    Interested to know what you dig out from your old literature, unfortunately what little I've got is mostly 1960s onwards.

    cheers, Huw


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    Facts are sadly lacking in this area so this is pure conjecture. As Hobbs changed their body construction method from 4 bend to full 12 bend sometime into the early 20th Century it could be assumed that the Progress G became the Bankers and subsequently the SE1. This could have coincided with the general improvement to ABP Qualities by others around the period of WW1 as oxy-acetylene became more generally available with Ratner and Hobbs sandwiching " copper within the door plates. Explosive resistance followed immediately after greatly improved by Ratner with their fully automatic Safety Bolt in 1918. The Tann device was initially a thermal device but served both purposes,

    The term Bankers was used by most for their ABP grades and Branch Bank was the same quality but fully packaged with internal fittings such as teller's cupboards and coffers.

    Most of these improvements went for nought in the 60's and 70's as delamination side-stepped these measures.

    The only illustration I have of the Hobbs SE1 is attached. The Branch Bank as I remember it was more or less identical. The door furniture was in Phosphor-Bronze.

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    Here are the specifications for the Progress Range circa 1910.

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    If all this doesn't make sense blame the lovely person who took me out for yet another Birthday Lunch.

  3. #253
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    Some info I have been able to dig out, some brochure info showing branch bank safe as progress E quality ( although this is not to say that at some other time they didn't do a branch bank model that was a bit higher quality, or even a special so to speak)
    Also some pictures of what I have always been told was a Hobbs Bankers safe, although I have always seen this with just two protector locks fitted and wouldn't class it as a patch on the progess G (could just be that it is of a different era though)
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails hobbs hart old catalogue 23-1-05.jpg 041.jpg   hobbs hart old catalogue 23-1-05.jpg 042.jpg   hobbs hart bankers safe 23-1-05.jpg 004.jpg   hobbs hart bankers safe 23-1-05.jpg.jpg  

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    Well that's definitely cleared up a few things, thanks again safeman and Gary for all you've added on this- so the Progress G's were tops after all...

    Door furniture cast in Phosphor bronze, wow how times change, these days few manufacturers will stretch to using PB even for critical points like the bearings for the hinges!
    And, they think their handles and escutcheons are real quality if they're die-cast zinc instead of injection moulded plastic!!

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    I think this would have been the Ultimate back in the early 1900's.

    We Re-built this a year or so ago, and it is now sitting in the Main Lobby of the Head Office of a major
    Bank in NZ.

    This safe and its brother were still in use up until a few years ago.

    We have its brother in our Workshop.
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  6. #256
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    Redoubt, wow what an amazing Safe and you've done a beautiful job on it, I really like that black with orange scheme.

    Those particular Chubb's with the crane hinges and pressure bars have always puzzled me why they only ever seem to show up in Australia and New Zealand?

    I think it was safeman who mentioned a couple of similar Chubb Bankers over here in the uk that were used by one of the older banks, but from memory I think they were either without the crane hinge or the pressure bars, so not the full monty like yours.
    Thanks for posting those, its contributions like yours that make this site the treasure trove it is.

  7. #257
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    Old, but fantastic, thread this. Just a re boot to see if any UK member has, or knows where there is, a Tann Diamond for sale ? Either first or second generation would interest me. Please add to thread with info or PM me. Thanks,

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    By 2nd gen do you mean a ts5? or were there two gens of the older Diamond?
    Don't see many of them even in the banks, but will keep an eye out.
    I think I have a ts4 boltwork with all the bits that I meant to build as a demo model but haven't got round to it yet.

  9. #259
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    We are not allowed to post links due to forum rules. I googles Tann Diamond Safe and the first hit was a dealer with some for slae.

  10. #260
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson View Post
    By 2nd gen do you mean a ts5? or were there two gens of the older Diamond?
    Don't see many of them even in the banks, but will keep an eye out.
    I think I have a ts4 boltwork with all the bits that I meant to build as a demo model but haven't got round to it yet.
    Thanks for that. just to clarify I class the ts 5 as the 2nd generation diamond. Any info please message me direct to comply with forum rules.

    I avoid safe dealers due to cost, just a mad collector me !

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