Ultimate & One-off Freestanding Safes

[Safeone]

All the claims below may well be correct but at least make it look like a safe !!! My fridge looks more secure ! Oh and whats with these rectangular bolts ? Nope. These Euro non sense safes just dont cut it with me.





EuroVault Atlas Grade 7 £250,000 cash rating, £2,500,000 jewellery rating

• The highest security rated safe available in Europe
• Independently tested and certified by ECBS to EN1143-1 Grade 7
• Double walled steel body and door filled with ultra high performance concrete and special armourings
• Massive three way locking rectangular bolts
• Special drill protection of the lock and boltwork
• Multiple re-locking devices secure door in case of attack
• Option of left hand hinge*
• Dual keylock as standard
• Option of mechanical combination, electronicPIN or biometric locks**
• Adjustable shelves in each size
• Base fixing

**Any lock alterations must conform to EN1300 Class 3

Model	Size 1	Size 2	Size 3
Ext HWD(mm)	1140x760x730*	1440x760x730*	1740x730x760*
IntHxWxD(mm)	900x500x400	1200x500x400	1500x500x400
Weight	1650kg	1950kg	2350kg
Volume (Litres)	180	240	300
Shelves	2	2	4

*Add 25mm to external width for hinges, Add up to 60mm to external depth for handle and keypads

[Huw Eastwood]

Chubby in response to your post #160 that you titled 'The Loch Ness Monster AKA SLS Gem safe', I too had a chuckle as I posted this video link somewhere way back in this thread.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Ld6f_LkyE

Also, I'm guessing that you didn't read the numerous points Raised indicating at least 3 of the Gems were made.


2 of them still survive to this day, a LH swing and RH swing door, plus a few of the slightly lower specced Sapphires which look almost identical- some of those are still in the UK, plus one of the Gems was sacrificed in order to achieve the TXTL60x6 rating.

Safeone- as far as I know the Atlas is still the only safe to meet the Euro grade 7, which was why I doubted the safe that Winter from France posted which was claiming to be a grade 8.

Doug thanks for adding those, the TRTL30x6 Mosler looks identical to the Kaso Gem safes I've seen over here, and isn't the Mosler Hadaiken one of those oddballs that didn't have an outer shell? I recall an Israeli company made a range of them with those distinctive protruding hinges. They had the actual cast barrier material on show- very expensive to make apparently because of all the surface finishing the rough castings needed.

[Doug MacQueen]

The ground is not so unsteady Safeman. You are definitely correct on the point loading causing greater localized forces. However, I don't think I have seen a safe forced or blown open where the bolts, round or rectangular, have forced their way straight through the jamb facing. There was always some failure of the internal bolt carry bar and /or bolt attachment to the bar, and/or disconnection of the door bolt frame as well as some possible side wall deformation. Anyway, I find this all very interesting and truly appreciate your input. Doug

[Safeone]

"Like a stiletto heel"......oh no ! Who knows where this thread might go to now !!!

[Safeone]

Quote :

"I find it a bit hard to believe, that back in day the when construction costs were not the main concern in building the best burglary safes possible, rounds would be favored over flats purely for their economy"

I also admit to not being a safe engineer or having a physics degree etc but thinking about it have to agree with the above quote.

Surely Tann & Chubb r & d departments exhausted all options before opting for & staying with round bolts ?

[safeman]

Quote :

"I find it a bit hard to believe, that back in day the when construction costs were not the main concern in building the best burglary safes possible, rounds would be favored over flats purely for their economy"

I also admit to not being a safe engineer or having a physics degree etc but thinking about it have to agree with the above quote.

Surely Tann & Chubb r & d departments exhausted all options before opting for & staying with round bolts ?

Safeone, I now wish to retract the following earlier statement :

"I cannot understand your scorn for rectangular bolts. They were only discarded at the turn of the century in favour of cheaper to assemble and less secure round bolts".

It always pays to sleep on a post before pressing send in which case I might have said "they were discarded unanimously by the trade with Milner leading the way in 1919 with their List 2 (Impoved Patent) with Ratner, Chubb and Tann following suit through the 1920's" Why, firstly I would guess for purely aesthetic reasons with the bonus of easier manufacturing and assembly.

As Chubby comments, this, along with square compared to bent bodies, led to an assumption that flat bolts were old fashioned and inferior.

All this coincided with the post-war increase in violence against safes in the form of high explosives and the developments in the non-hazardous use of acetylene gas which in turn led to the anti-explosive and anti-thermal relocking devices which operated with equal efficiency on both types of boltwork.

Now, 90 years later and with the judgement of a safes potential more or less solely in the hands of CEN and UL and their 'unusual' failures criteria which have a doubtful relevance to actual criminal attack, it looks as if the rectangular boltwork might be making a comeback.

Now for a little shut-eye.

[Alan Morgan]

The Gem thread never dies!

Definitive answer, six were sold for use in the UK. Mainly to the cash and carry chain. Probably all the same size, I forgot to ask if they ever made the bigger size.

Still reckon it qualifies for your list Huw. Not exactly a mass production item. Don't want to ever have to drill one, like the Treasury models that Stainless and ceramic peg fill is killer stuff.

Alan

Chubby in response to your post #160 that you titled 'The Loch Ness Monster AKA SLS Gem safe', I too had a chuckle as I posted this video link somewhere way back in this thread.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Ld6f_LkyE

Also, I'm guessing that you didn't read the numerous points Raised indicating at least 3 of the Gems were made.


2 of them still survive to this day, a LH swing and RH swing door, plus a few of the slightly lower specced Sapphires which look almost identical- some of those are still in the UK, plus one of the Gems was sacrificed in order to achieve the TXTL60x6 rating.

Safeone- as far as I know the Atlas is still the only safe to meet the Euro grade 7, which was why I doubted the safe that Winter from France posted which was claiming to be a grade 8.

Doug thanks for adding those, the TRTL30x6 Mosler looks identical to the Kaso Gem safes I've seen over here, and isn't the Mosler Hadaiken one of those oddballs that didn't have an outer shell? I recall an Israeli company made a range of them with those distinctive protruding hinges. They had the actual cast barrier material on show- very expensive to make apparently because of all the surface finishing the rough castings needed.

[Safeone]

The Gem thread never dies!

Definitive answer, six were sold for use in the UK. Mainly to the cash and carry chain. Probably all the same size, I forgot to ask if they ever made the bigger size.

Still reckon it qualifies for your list Huw. Not exactly a mass production item. Don't want to ever have to drill one, like the Treasury models that Stainless and ceramic peg fill is killer stuff.

Alan

Hello Alan,

Can I ask where you get your 'definitive' information from please ?

Regards.

Ian

[Alan Morgan]

I occasionally chat to Roger

[Redoubt]

Hi Alan
Thanks for the information on the Gem.
A couple of random questions though.
Are/was the Cash and Carry chain large holders of money?
We have a version in NZ but I suspect that they are different from the UK version. The Gem seems a pretty serious safe for such a place.
Who is Roger? Did he work for SLS?
Thanks in advance.

Mike