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    Bit more info below about the mystical Gem safe that didnt exsist !

    In 1970, SLS introduced their famous ‘Bankers’ range, incorporating more barrier materials and utilising refractory waste, which were a direct challenge to Chubb’s famous TDR (Torch and Drill Resistant barrier) safes.


    By this time SLS safes were being exported across the globe, in vast numbers, particularly the USA, where SLS are still regarded as one of the finest safe manufacturers to this day.


    In 1972 SLS became part of the Mather and Platt group, a specialist foundry, casting and engineering company based in Manchester. This meant access to a wider range of facilities and use of alloys and ceramic aggregates.



    The carcass castings were made at The Park Foundry in Manchester, and then transported to Telford to be made into safes. During this period the SLS team came up with a method of suspending ceramic nuggets in an alloy casting, to achieve the ultimate anti-drill, anti thermal lance barrier, which led to the development of the famous ‘Gem Anti-Lance Safe’. It was considered by many, to be the finest safe in the world, offering protection at least twelve times greater than any other Bankers safe. It was independently tested by the ‘Underwriters Laboratory Inc’ in Chicago against torch, tool and explosive attack, achieving in excess of US UL TX TL60, by a substantial margin of protection.

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    I had totally forgotten about Mosler's own TRTL 30 and 30X6. Here are 3 Mosler brochures. Since I have to open one of the TRTL 30's today, the 6" to lock is already giving me a back ache. I don't have a copy of the their own TRTL30X6 brochure but that door was about 7-1/2" to the lock.
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    All the claims below may well be correct but at least make it look like a safe !!! My fridge looks more secure ! Oh and whats with these rectangular bolts ? Nope. These Euro non sense safes just dont cut it with me.





    EuroVault Atlas Grade 7
    £250,000 cash rating, £2,500,000 jewellery rating












    • The highest security rated safe available in Europe
    • Independently tested and certified by ECBS to EN1143-1 Grade 7
    • Double walled steel body and door filled with ultra high performance concrete and special armourings
    • Massive three way locking rectangular bolts
    • Special drill protection of the lock and boltwork
    • Multiple re-locking devices secure door in case of attack
    • Option of left hand hinge*
    • Dual keylock as standard
    • Option of mechanical combination, electronicPIN or biometric locks**
    • Adjustable shelves in each size
    • Base fixing


    **Any lock alterations must conform to EN1300 Class 3




    Model Size 1 Size 2 Size 3
    Ext HWD(mm) 1140x760x730* 1440x760x730* 1740x730x760*
    IntHxWxD(mm) 900x500x400 1200x500x400 1500x500x400
    Weight 1650kg 1950kg 2350kg
    Volume (Litres) 180 240 300
    Shelves 2 2 4



    *Add 25mm to external width for hinges, Add up to 60mm to external depth for handle and keypads

  4. #164
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    Chubby in response to your post #160 that you titled 'The Loch Ness Monster AKA SLS Gem safe', I too had a chuckle as I posted this video link somewhere way back in this thread.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Ld6f_LkyE

    Also, I'm guessing that you didn't read the numerous points Raised indicating at least 3 of the Gems were made.


    2 of them still survive to this day, a LH swing and RH swing door, plus a few of the slightly lower specced Sapphires which look almost identical- some of those are still in the UK, plus one of the Gems was sacrificed in order to achieve the TXTL60x6 rating.

    Safeone- as far as I know the Atlas is still the only safe to meet the Euro grade 7, which was why I doubted the safe that Winter from France posted which was claiming to be a grade 8.

    Doug thanks for adding those, the TRTL30x6 Mosler looks identical to the Kaso Gem safes I've seen over here, and isn't the Mosler Hadaiken one of those oddballs that didn't have an outer shell? I recall an Israeli company made a range of them with those distinctive protruding hinges. They had the actual cast barrier material on show- very expensive to make apparently because of all the surface finishing the rough castings needed.

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    [QUOTE=Safeone;23159]
    All the claims below may well be correct but at least make it look like a safe !!! My fridge looks more secure ! Oh and whats with these rectangular bolts ? Nope. These Euro non sense safes just dont cut it with me.

    Helloagain Safeone.

    I cannot understand your scorn for rectangular bolts. They were only discarded at the turn of the century in favour of cheaper to assemble and less secure round bolts. With superior contact they are much more difficult to rip out of circular bolt pockets, particularly fixed back dog bolts where the door closing geometry leaves then with virtually no contact.This weakness was exascerbated with the introduction of the 12 corner bend construction which was often only a maximum of 5mm formed steel as the inside of the door frame.

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    Likewise the door frame is subject to deformation at each bolt despite additional bridging plates.

    What has this got to do with the likes of UL testing? Probably the most difficult test any safe can withstand is to prevent the creation of the 2 sq.in. failure through which the appropriate markers can be fished. This is unlikely to be lanced penetration of the body but a wedged gap down the edge of the door only 1/2" wide and 4" long.















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    Well.............OK now you point that out I have to bow to your superior knowledge of what makes a safe er 'safe' but I do like a nice row of highly polished bolts looking at you when the door is open :-)

    Tell you what that picture you posted of the safe door pulled open is a cracker ! Wonder what force would be required to achieve that ?

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    Just got some notes out from a company whose hydraulic spreaders I have used in the past and looking at the force they exert at the tips (29,450 lbf) I suppose once they start to make in roads you are away, its just getting that initial purchase that baffles me.

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    Default Atlas EuroVault Grade 7

    Safeone, I think you might be surprised how much a fight a euro grade 7 safe would give. Anything euro grade 5 and up is a pretty good safe.

    Yes I'm with you on the bland clinical styling of most of the modern European stuff and yes, they lack the 'no expense spared' cast copper and stainless steel barriers of old, but the fact there's a £250,000 overnight cash rating on a euro grade 7 is a big hint really as to what it can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safeone View Post
    Well.............OK now you point that out I have to bow to your superior knowledge of what makes a safe er 'safe' but I do like a nice row of highly polished bolts looking at you when the door is open :-)

    Tell you what that picture you posted of the safe door pulled open is a cracker ! Wonder what force would be required to achieve that ?

    Here's what Samuel Chatwood published just after the Cornhill Robbery :

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    and here's a better looking safe which may be slightly more appealing.

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ID:	15174and lastly, here's a couple more successful attacks.

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ID:	15175 these are basic chisels - you should see what size the testers use! (Milner Holdfast List 3)

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    I wasn't laughing at the actual SLS safe. I was amused at the idea that they had got only 1 to photograph! I suppose it is all to do with spin. "We haven't actually made more than a couple yet" sounds bad. "Each safe is made specifically to the customer's requirements" sounds wonderful.

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