Hobbs

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Hobbs & Co.
Hobbs Hart & Co.

The
Parautoptics and other change key locks.



M00076 - Hobbs made but to the Day & Newall design. 6 lever, 203 x 159mm.
M00079 - First production (sn:600) version with the Hobbs protector, anti-pressure, patent. Dated: 1863.

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Hobbs Anti-Violence locks.


M00085 - Pr of double stump locks. sn: 26606, Provenance: from a demountable vault (Known as the Egyptian Box Vault), used during the Suez conflict. Vault now scraped.


M00083 - 12" lock & key with escutcheon and safe badge all with the same serial number - 35374. c1924

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M00261 - Bankers triple control system. c1926

[Kent Tassell]

Hi everybody

Has anyone got any photos of the Egyptian Box Vault with the Hobbs progress E locks

Kent

[Gary Stephenson]

Or an internal picture of the bank triple control lock?

[Gary Stephenson]

am refurbing a couple of 18 inch violence locks at the moment, the pin version with key number 47911 I assume to be 1952-53 vintage, if I am using the right dating sheet Hobbs hart?
I also have a pipe key version without key and haven't found a serial number on that one yet, I have been told that the pipe key versions are the older ones, does anyone know what date they swapped, from pipe to pin?
the craftsmanship on these is nothing short of superb.

[safeman]

am refurbing a couple of 18 inch violence locks at the moment, the pin version with key number 47911 I assume to be 1952-53 vintage, if I am using the right dating sheet Hobbs hart?
I also have a pipe key version without key and haven't found a serial number on that one yet, I have been told that the pipe key versions are the older ones, does anyone know what date they swapped, from pipe to pin?
the craftsmanship on these is nothing short of superb.

Gary, These are all the illustrations I can find at the moment. I had an 18" but didn't have the number. It had the thin brass plate under the top sliding bolts to prevent dirt particles from getting into the lock but I can't find the date for this modification. It had a pipe key.
Don't suppose these will answer any of your queries.

[Gary Stephenson]

Cheers John, I had not seen that before, one of the ones I have is a pipe key version (no key with it) and it has the dirt shield on the sliding bolts, I was told this is because the lock was mounted horizontally on the door, this lock doesn't have the spring assist to ease the weight of the bolt, I thought this was because of the orientation, but according to your info the early ones didn't have this bolt assist lever and leaf spring. I will put up some photos. first one is 47911 pin type key

[Gary Stephenson]

the pipe key version

[Huw Eastwood]

I have been told that the pipe key versions are the older ones, does anyone know what date they swapped, from pipe to pin?

Amazing locks those Gary, agree on the craftsmanship-the build quality, construction and precision is on another level. Although I expect tom will be along sometime to say chatwood's stuff was even better :-0

Can't answer the question but know from all the Milners I've had and worked on ,recall they changed from pipe to pin on the powderproof stuff sometime between the late 1890s and a couple of years before WW1, say roughly 1912.
Possibly a knock on effect started by one of the big makers and the others then copied but I don't know.