S & G Lock

[AntiqueSafeJohn]

I am looking for a antique S&G roller bolt lock for a J&J Taylor safe I am restoring. The missing lock - footprint indicates it is bigger than the standard S&G. Thanks John

[Doug MacQueen]

John, S&G made several different roller bolt models, all larger than standard. Can you post a couple pictures? And the footprint dimensions. Cast iron cases were used for fire safes and bronze for burglary chests. Since Taylor was an early user of S&G, some of these locks are hard to find find and pretty pricey. At minimum, I should be able to ID which lock you need and post a picture of it. Doug

[AntiqueSafeJohn]

John, S&G made several different roller bolt models, all larger than standard. Can you post a couple pictures? And the footprint dimensions. Cast iron cases were used for fire safes and bronze for burglary chests. Since Taylor was an early user of S&G, some of these locks are hard to find find and pretty pricey. At minimum, I should be able to ID which lock you need and post a picture of it. Doug

Thanks Doug for the response. After dismanteling and meashuring the door I now think J&J Taylor made the opening in the bolt work so large so they could install ethor a dial lock or a time lock their is also a 45 degree bevel on the left horazantle bolt plate posibly for a hinged time lock door. This is a small bankers safe. The dimentions of the three bolt holes is 5 5/8'' 3 3/4'' 3 1/4'' the spindle bore is pretty high it is above the center of the pattern. I have a nice S&G brass roller bolt that will work its housing dimentions are 4 3/8'' by 3 3/16''. The hole in the picture on the right is the bolt lever hole. If you have any ideas please let me know. John

[Doug MacQueen]

john, can you post a good close up pic with the boltwork laid in place on the door and another pic with your lock and the boltwork on the door? Doug

[AntiqueSafeJohn]

john, can you post a good close up pic with the boltwork laid in place on the door and another pic with your lock and the boltwork on the door? Doug

This is the mail door - bolts out and in with the S&G I plan to use if nothing better is available. The lock is precisely located for the dial spindle. The origanal holes are just visable below the lock housing filled with white body filler.

[AntiqueSafeJohn]

john, can you post a good close up pic with the boltwork laid in place on the door and another pic with your lock and the boltwork on the door? Doug

Doud this is a better picture showing both bolt patterns. Thanks

[Doug MacQueen]

Very creative. And a lot of work. Do you keep them all or sell? Have you been finding these chests in your area. i am surprised to see a Taylor chest made it all the way to NM. Doug

[AntiqueSafeJohn]

Very creative. And a lot of work. Do you keep them all or sell? Have you been finding these chests in your area. i am surprised to see a Taylor chest made it all the way to NM. Doug

I buy the safes from Crags list Ebay safe dealers ect. The Taylor was brought to my attention by a friend of mine in Canada it was on a Canadion version of Crags list in Onterio I had a safe co. pick it up prep it for shipping and then used a shipping broker to get it shipped to me, it cost 600 for the safe 650 for shipping 250 for the safe co. and 275 for customs and the inport tatif. I wanted it because it is the smallest J & J Taylor I or anyone I know has ever seen. I sell most of the safes I restore ,I get a lot of satisfaction out of bringing these wonderfull antiques back to a state of beauty. They come from all over the country and end up all over the country. I make money restoring them but not a lot considering all of the work it takes. This is a MacNeal & Urban that I am finishing up it needs the nickle re done and the lettering, it is made a lot like the safe you showed me with the Sargent automatic. Thanks for the pictures.

[Parautoptic]

John

Thanks for sharing these pictures, it is always a pleasure to see such beautiful work.

[Doug MacQueen]

Very nice John, how long have been doing this? Here is a cast iron No. 3 fire proof safe lock that may be similar to the No. 4 Burglary model but I am not positive on that. What were the screw holes in the safe when you got it. I see a triangular pattern typical of some timelocks but there would not be a spindle hole for those models. And the snubber entry holes in S&G timelocks are either too high or too low. Did you drill some of the holes? The dimensions of the No. 4 burglary are in a previous post with the mag and auto pictures I sent. Doug