Welcome to our world exploring the Historical, Political and Technological aspects of Locks, Keys and Safes

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 30
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wichita Kansas USA
    Posts
    30
    Country: United States

    Default Parautoptic Safe Lock circa 1840s-1850s

    Here's a self contained safe lock with bolt work. I have had the pictures for sometime and the lock is in storage so I'm going by memory right now.
    I'm sure there will be questions and that will force me to revisit this MYSTERY SAFE LOCK which I have been meaning to do. I HOPE to find
    another collector who has the ENTIRE SAFE. That's what I'm after right now is to find out what safe manufacturer USED this lock. A special thanks
    to Carl King who identified the KEY Patent way back in 1999. I finally downloaded from the U.S. Patent Office once the site was available to do so.
    It will be attached later in the post.

    First off. I'm just a collector...antique padlocks, safes, related advertising ,etc..... I'm not a locksmith so some of the terminology I use may be a little elementary but hopefully I'll get the point across.

    This will be an on going transition...These are the pictures I have available at my finger tips ...but I may be revising this when I get the lock out and take more
    pictures. SO....if there are any pictures you want...you had better save them now.... :-) I hope the ending format keeps the pictures set WITH the captions
    underneath. I really don't use this HTML editor that much.....Well...here goes...I'm not sure how this will post on Paul's site....we'll see...

    I bought this lock years ago at an estate auction here in Kansas. I knew it was some type of safe lock but didn't have any idea what brand of safe used
    this type lock. I was sure it was American and since it used a key I figured it dated to the 1840s-1860s. It did have 3/8" half pin (not original) that fit into the
    hole shown below. It turned and the bolt open and closed. UNBEKNOWNST to me at the time.... the KEY bit was in position. I didn't find that out until
    many months later. I just never had the time to really disassemble it. The lock weighs about 28 pounds. As you can see below it's about 17 inches from tab to tab
    by the bolts. I hope there is enough text on the pictures to explain how it works.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	parautopticsafelockall.jpg 
Views:	2031 
Size:	246.4 KB 
ID:	179

    I was going to try and insert pictures as I went.... but decided to just paste ONE large picture and make some ending comments below. I wasn't sure how the pictures and
    text would end up. First off the above key is very similar to the patent below held by Albert Betteley. But the lock is more like the one in John & David Erroll's
    book "The American Genius" on page 78. The safe lock maker was William Hall. THIS bit is NOT changeable like Hall's. I'm hoping to find someone who has this
    exact lock in a safe. I would like a picture of the safe. After seeing the picture in "The American Genius" I'm sure that there never was a permanent dial or handle that
    threw the bolt...Just a half-pin type key like the William Hall's lock.....anyway....I hope you find this interesting. The key holder ends are spring loaded (spring steel?)
    I don't think the design of the removable key was that great. VERY easy NOT to be able to extract the KEY BIT. That's probably WHY I found the lock with the bit
    still in it! Of course the design was to keep the levers away from being manipulated which I think that was accomplished with this mechanism.
    My holiday project will be to get all the parts cleaned up and inside painted and mounted on a frame of some kind.

    Here is the Betteley Patent


    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	parautopticsafelockAlbertBetteleypatent.jpg 
Views:	2054 
Size:	480.5 KB 
ID:	178

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	patent8851.jpg 
Views:	2004 
Size:	214.7 KB 
ID:	177

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Wild West Woolwich
    Posts
    103
    Country: UK

    Default

    Very interesting pictures.... I remember reading about a similar lock that took the bit and returned it via a little chute *inside* the door. This denied an attacker the chance of examining his false bit for any clue(s) as to why it had failed and alerted the owner to tampering. The true bit could of course be retrieved because the lock would be open. I do not recall mention of any special tool for inserting the bit or turning the lock.

    I cannot recall where I read about this, (more than thirty years ago!) but the description has stayed with me and indeed is the reason for my username on this site. It may have been in the "Rudimentary Treatise"

    Is the lock shewn here any relation to the one I read about all those years ago?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Devon UK
    Posts
    3,117
    Country: UK

    Default

    That key bit was banana shaped with a groove to ensure it was inserted the right way around-unfortunately it was quite easy for it to wear and be inserted the wrong way up and as far as I could see the only realistic way to then get it out at the time was to turn the safe upside down.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    73
    Country: UK

    Default

    Hi.
    Do you know the name of the Patentee or manufacturer of the lock with the "banana shaped" key?
    Thanks in advance.
    Patent.

  5. #5

    Default

    The banana shaped key is commonly referred to as a 'grasshopper' because of the way it 'jumped' out of the lock. I believe it was made by Linus Yale Sr. under US patent number 10,584.
    BBE.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    3
    Country: United States

    Default

    Attachment 2628I have a Silas C. Herring safe that uses a “Grasshopper key” .The Attachment 2627"Grasshopper Lock" was originally designed and Patented by Joseph L. Hall on 1 August, 1848, for Silas Herring. Silas HerriAttachment 2626ng began producing safes around 1840. I will try to attach a photo of my lock and key.My safe was built around 1855 I thinkAttachment 2625

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    73
    Country: UK

    Default

    Thanks BBE for this info. I have looked up the patent diagram (was this lock ever produced by Yale in this format?).
    I think that this design lead onto Yale's"Peanut" lock.
    Patent.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Cleveland, Ohio USA
    Posts
    1,433
    Country: United States

    Default

    It was William Hall of Boston, not Jos. L Hall of Cincinnati that designed the "grasshopper" lock. Both of these men have several lock patents to their name. I have not yet determined who William worked for, so if anyone out there knows, give a yell. There were a couple locks, US and Brit, where the key bit traveled into the lock, and if I remember correctly, one that was deposited in a chute on the door.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    73
    Country: UK

    Default

    Hi Doug.
    One British lock that comes to mind that fits your reference "where the key bit travelled into the lock, and if I remember correctly, one that was deposited in a chute on the door" is Fenby's" Adytic" lock. This lock is described in the" Rudimentary Treatise" I believe that this is possibly the lock that Parautoptic alludes to in previous post.25.01.2010.

    " I remember reading about a similar lock that took the bit and returned it via a little chute *inside* the door. This denied an attacker the chance of examining his false bit for any clue(s) as to why it had failed and alerted the owner to tampering. The true bit could of course be retrieved because the lock would be open. I do not recall mention of any special tool for inserting the bit or turning the lock.

    I cannot recall where I read about this, (more than thirty years ago!) but the description has stayed with me and indeed is the reason for my username on this site. It may have been in the "Rudimentary Treatise"

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Cyberspace
    Posts
    1,322
    Country: Australia

    Default

    Rings a bell, I think it was in Tomlinson. Has anyone ever seen one ?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •