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    Hi Pete,
    Wow, I got an email reply from Randy.
    No parts available from him.
    He's selling his machine collection as a group.
    He suggested I get a whole machine which
    may be a challenge.


    I hope someone here can help.

    Thanks again.
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldpro View Post
    Hi Pete,
    Wow, I got an email reply from Randy.
    No parts available from him.
    He's selling his machine collection as a group.
    He suggested I get a whole machine which
    may be a challenge.
    I hope someone here can help.
    Thanks again.
    Tom
    Tom,
    Harley Lock Supply deals in used key machines and other items, you might also check with James to see if he can help, website here:
    http://www.hawleylock.com

    Pete Schifferli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pschiffe View Post
    Tom,
    Harley Lock Supply deals in used key machines and other items, you might also check with James to see if he can help, website here:
    http://www.hawleylock.com Pete Schifferli
    Typo..should read Hawley Lock Supply! Sorry for the confusion, unable to edit original post.

    Pete

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    Pete,
    I found it and sent inquiry.
    James emailed back and said he may have some bits
    and pieces. He'd like to see pics.
    I'll send some and see what he says.
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldpro View Post
    Pete,
    I found it and sent inquiry.
    James emailed back and said he may have some bits
    and pieces. He'd like to see pics.
    I'll send some and see what he says.
    Tom
    Tom, if you tell me which version of the Improved Minute machine you have, I can provide a pictorial parts list if that helps any. I also have operating instructions if interested. See thumbnails below, "early" model on the left; "later" model L on the right.

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    Pete

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    Hi Pete,

    Thanks for that!
    I'd be most interested in a parts list and op instructions.
    I have the later version L on the right.
    there's a couple of pics over in this thread-
    http://www.antique-locks.com/showthr...e+lock+related

    Can you tell us why it's called "minute" and what was "improved"
    from an earlier version?

    The base on the one I have is super heavy duty with 6 or 7 cast iron ribs underneath the tower area. It seems way over built but very high quality.
    I see the other one was open in that area.

    I'm often tasked with creating/fitting bit/barrel keys to locks with 3 or 4 levers
    like those small high quality old British locks on bookcases etc. So I plan to
    add X Y leadscrews/racks, dial indicators, etc like on a mancuna machne to help control the spacing and depth. Do you know if any maker ever made a
    bit/barrel "code" machine or were they all basically duplicators?

    thanks for your interest.
    Tom

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    My dad had one of the "Improved Minute" machines. I believe it was one of the first machines he purchased when he set up his shop in 1946. We didn't use it much after I became old enough to help out in the shop, only using it to cut bit keys when they came in for duplication and occasionally when doing a large safe-deposit key order. I don't remember ever duplicating a cylinder key on it. I have an ad from a wholesale locksmith catalog circa 1965 that features that machine. My dad sold it to a fellow locksmith after he closed his shop in 2003. Thanks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldpro View Post
    Hi Pete,
    Thanks for that!
    I'd be most interested in a parts list and op instructions.
    I have the later version L on the right.
    there's a couple of pics over in this thread-
    http://www.antique-locks.com/showthr...e+lock+related
    Can you tell us why it's called "minute" and what was "improved"
    from an earlier version?
    The base on the one I have is super heavy duty with 6 or 7 cast iron ribs underneath the tower area. It seems way over built but very high quality.
    I see the other one was open in that area.
    I'm often tasked with creating/fitting bit/barrel keys to locks with 3 or 4 levers
    like those small high quality old British locks on bookcases etc. So I plan to
    add X Y leadscrews/racks, dial indicators, etc like on a mancuna machne to help control the spacing and depth. Do you know if any maker ever made a
    bit/barrel "code" machine or were they all basically duplicators?
    thanks for your interest. Tom
    Tom,
    1. PDF of operating instructions with parts list for Model L is attached: IlcoMinute.pdf
    2. Minute is apparently a reference to the time it took to cut a key. The Ilco Catalog No. 12 (c) 1941 states, "This is the most popular machine among professional key cutters, because it is always set up for duplicating practically every type of key accurately and completely in less than a minute".
    3. Both the "early" and "late" models bear the Improved designation as did the Improved American and Improved Minute from that era. I am unaware of any earlier models sans the Improved marque!
    4. There were some vintage code machines, but as far as I know they were all for cylinder type keys. Olde time locksmiths often had sets of coded pre-cut bit and barrel keys, as well as flat steel; and would make a duplicate if they had the pre-cut original. The extant Framon #1 and #2 can be used to cut lever tumbler safe deposit keys by code but the vise will not accommodate bit or barrel keys .

    Pete

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    I really do appreciate the pdf Pete, thank you.
    I printed it out and I'll be studying it.
    Comically, the parts drawing doesn't list the
    jaw inserts I need.
    Maybe it's an opportunity to remake the entire
    2 vises and make the corrugated insert longer so
    it can grip better. I could incorporate a "roller" feature
    also, to round over the ends of the lever cuts.



    Cashman,
    If you ever talk to the "fellow Locksmith" who ended up with the
    machine please ask if He'd like to sell it and ship it to Canada.
    Thanks.

    Tom

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    goldpro.
    I will go by and see if he still has the machine? I have several Ilco duplicators including a hand cranked one. I have another hand cranked one that was made in England, but I can't remember the name on it. I'll try to post some pics of them. Thanks!!!

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