Attachment 17591Attachment 17592Does anyone know it?
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Well that is one fancy escutcheon! Are you able to tell us how much you know about it Gerard after having opened the safe and worked on the lock etc?
Didnt see much fancy stuff from continental Europe here in UK but from what little I know a quick process of elimination would really narrow things down;
Makers of ornate safes from continental europe = Loads
German makers only = Much Less
Same again with double-bitted key only = Much Less again
Same again with sharp wedges on the key bits = Much Less again
Same again with Patent/Registered design protection etc = Not Many
Strikes me as odd that if the lock/key system was Patented or protected that they would put the tiny 'protected by law' mark on the escutcheon, but then you have the additional knowledge having opened the safe and having worked on the lock so you know if the lock/keys were anything special or not?
A few years ago I made a list of German safe manufacturers.
I'm sure it is far from complete, but hey.. it's a start :(clap):
Ostertag, Aalen
August Brebeck, Barmen
S.J. Arnheim, Berlin
C. Brandes, Berlin
Walter Burmeister, Berlin
Fabian, Berlin
Panzer AG, Berlin
Seifert, Berlin
F.E. Baum, Chemnitz
A. Effenberger, Coeln
R. Hessel, Dresden
Carl Richter, Dresden
Peter Adolphs, Dusseldorf
Hammeran, Frankfurt
Bernh. Löffler, Frankfurt a/M
Anton Kern, Gera
Rudolf Speck, Halle
H.C.E. Eggers & Co, Hamburg
Bode-Panzer, Hannover-Berlin-Hamburg
F. Schmidt, Hamburg
G. Verclas, Hannover
Müller Safe, Herborn
M. Gaul, Köln
Carl Kastner, Leipzig
R. Thümmel , Leipzig
Leopold Walther, Leipzig
L. Härtel, Limbach
Grohmann, Luckenwalde
Consentius, Magdenburg
J.P. Petzold, Magdenburg
Purcel, Magdenburg
Sommermeyer, Magdeburg
Simon, Nürnberg
Leicher, Munchen
Gümbel, Siegbach
Carl Ade, Stuttgart
Wilhelm Rupp & sohn, Ulm
W. Philippi, Wiesbaden
P. Sirch & sohn, Würzburg
Willibald Jacob, Zwickau
Cerberus
Söflinger
Wertheim
Lampertz
Sistec
Burg-Wachter
I had a feeling that you knew a fair bit more than we did which was why I asked Gerard, that's a pretty comprehensive list by any standards! Was the lock/keys a Patented or protected design though?
If you send the video to Brian the Team Leader at the top of the page he'll sort it out for you. It will of course need to be suitable material for the public forum though, not showing actual opening methods or techniques.
I might have missed some in my plaque collection,some might not be German and some might not be safes but:-
you could also add
Herm Krause Berlin
CL Kopper Berlin
J Kotters Berlin
Tresorstahl Berlin-Reinickendorf
There was both M and P Fabian in Berlin
C Rob Drechsler & Wagner
Herthau B Cheminitz
Franz Purcel Magdeburgh
Pohl Schrioder Dortmund
FR Rahn Berlin
Verlohr
Braune & Roth Leipzig
E Kuchenmeister Frankfurt a/o
Otto Gabriel Dresden a
Schiffers Mannheim
Carl Herman Nurnberg
cL Koppen Berlin sw
stacke Aachen
Otto Meyer Berlin
E Bernstyein Berlin
Julius Schuler HamburgG Lindener Berlin c
A Elsner Berlin Linden strasse 94
Heini Luders Braunschneig