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Can anyone please help me with this. I will update photos later. I think it is either a TST or TBT series two.
Middle bolt is stamped 89392. One of the top bolts is stamped ES 6-7-82, assuming the last part is the date have no idea what the ES means. It is an Intersec imported from England
https://www.ebay.com/itm/John-Tann-I...oAAOSw0UdXvw3P
This is the safe on E-Bay
I am sure the model names were different for the US and UK versions . They normally have a bit of dyno tape on the top hinge and this one looks to have it, it may be worth asking for a picture close up of this to see if it aids the ID.
Gary,The label on the hinge is a metal tab that says Made In England. I am posting the American version of the brochure here. The wording is pretty much identical for the same range of safes on AtoZ's website. For the US market all the safes had the "Tann Timer". I do not know if this was installed on the UK versions. They did have different colors for the different models but who knows how many times this safe has been repainted. Even though they are both rated as a grade 5 the TST would appear to have a more substantial body than the TBT. I have a customer looking for an extremely high quality safeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
and i know that both Treasury and bankers would be a formidable adversary. However if it is the TSB version then it will not meet his requirements. So i am still hoping that the letters and numbers on the top bolt will jog somebody's memory. I do remember Chubb would have letters stamped in the boltwork area to identify their different models that looked identical, such as the Resolute and the BT, do you know if Tann did something similar. Again any help from anyone would be appreciated
I don't know if a 5 ft. Tann Bankers Mk.8 would fit your needs but there may be one for sale very soon here in Cleveland.
Appreciate the offer, but stuck on a TST if at all possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Doug MacQueen
Over here the bankers treasury had TBT bolt code and mark 1 and 2 super treasury were stamped TST, so the ES presumably relates to Intersecs re-naming for the American market like Gary says.
Im not aware of an ES bolt code for any British market Tann though, so Im of no help with that.
I reckon safeman will have more for you as he knows loads about Tanns American market adventures.
That is what I mean about hem calling them different names, ie jewellers for TBT, I didn't mean the metal plate on he hinge, there is plastic stick on tape on the side of the top hinge block on the ebay picture, hard to see as it is the same colour as the hinge, the uk versions did have the model stamped on the bed plate of the doorQuote:
Originally Posted by jaden
hopefully these will show what I mean.
[QUOTE=Gary Stephenson;29584]hopefully these will show what I mean.[/QUOTE
Thanks for the image that is immensely helpful.
Thank you for your confidence Huw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood
The old stuff I remember but my recollections of the US market has dimmed considerably.
All I can offer is Attachment 20061
I meant to add a reminder from a previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by safeman
John Tann never claimed that their TSB, TBT, of TST held a ULTRTL30x6 label and it is quite deceitful for these to be offered for sale as "ALTHOUGH NOT TESTED BY UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES IT IS A TRTL-30X6 RATING" This does not imply that they are any less secure as the Test Houses in the rest of the world do not necessariy follow the same principals.
The Tann Swedish factory did however produce and successfully test a Tann TRTL30x6 which was intended mainly for the US market.
Attachment 20063
What key lock did they use? (9 lever, key changeable)
The key changeable ones I remember were Kromer Convar and a little slimline Stuv one, it would probably be the Convar one
Convar is an 8-lever. In the document it is mentioned that it is a 9-lever. So I don't think it is a Convar. Maybe a Rosengren?
Here is a Tann Mini Vault TRTL30x6 that shows a picture of the lockwork
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tann-7036-U...100675%26rk%3D
Convar
The color of paint used in the American versions:
Jewelers- Dark Blue
TST- Brown
TBT- Medium Blue
TST- Tan
The key escutcheon was use to ID these safe also. The one in the picture has the black swing . This was not used on the Jewelers in the US. Both used the TRI-Spoke handle be it black or silver.
The paint on the TSB/TBT/TST imported to the US had textured paint.The jewelers where smooth.
Hope this helps Tim