Hi all, Has anyone came across this plaque before or came across the address 86, Queen st, Cheapside. associated with George Price. I can’t find anything and wondered if it might be a dodgy plaque. ?
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Hi all, Has anyone came across this plaque before or came across the address 86, Queen st, Cheapside. associated with George Price. I can’t find anything and wondered if it might be a dodgy plaque. ?
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Originally Posted by Warren63
Warren, it's quite genuine. 1884 advert.
Attachment 21145
I notice the advert says 34 Queen Victoria St, but the plaque says 68 Queen St ? Both London but am I missing something?
Warren that plate has all the hallmarks of a classic Jodhpur mishmash. You can disregard the address as there's still enough issues with it to write a book on!
I thought so Huw, couldn’t find address anywhere and thought the cheapside was a load of bull because that’s on all the Hobbs stuff. What did you think of the Hobbs I posted? I’ve never seen a brass version before ,have you?
From that photo the Hobb's Hart brass casting looks on par with the painted iron ones so not an obvious repro to me, and it's certainly not a mishmash like the George Price, but I've never collected them only saw them on safes out in the field. You really need someone like Tom to confirm nitty gritty details like manufacturers variations etc.
Thanks Huw, your a star mate 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood
Attachment 21160this is a very high quality 10” by 7.5” plate - far better than the iron ones and pretty rare, but as you now know, not uniqueQuote:
Originally Posted by Warren63
Thanks Tom, just received mine from seller and I’m quite happy it’s original due to condition and the fact you have confirmed the existence of brass versions. Yours is a beauty! I would give anything to see your collection. This one is the smaller version with the addition of LIMtd as opposed to the cast iron ones. I have one that has Ld and two without. The one with the white lettering is just plain cast iron which I coated with satin varnish and then added the white paint. One is polished cast iron & one just plain. These and the Lips plaques are probably my favourite plaque designs I have. I’ll post pics of the brass one after I’ve stripped the paint and (maybe) polished. Thanks again guys.
Unsure what I’m doing wrong but having trouble loading pics from my iPhone. Normally it works. I’ll try later!
Very strange regarding that George Price 86 Queen St plate originally posted. Someone was very quick to anonymously upload that same photo to the GP pages of Grace's Guide. At the same time all traces of the plate for sale have been removed, it no longer appears under items from the seller or completed listings.
Yes the seller who has it has told me that Graces have confirmed that GP has been recorded at the address in question. Says she is going to re-list it. I was dubious because I couldn’t understand why it doesn’t have the 212 patent on it, which would make it pre 1855. I just don’t know to be honest, I thought Tom might know of it’s existence. It’s getting to the point that it’s not safe to buy off eBay anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huw Eastwood
The Hobbs plaque I bought is highly suspect too. When I stripped the paint it turns out to have a few casting issues and seems to have been spray painted with a red oxide that won’t budge. I’ll try and load some pics but for some reason I’ve been having problems getting them to load lately. The guy I bought it off had a few Hobbs escutcheons and a Chatwood Plaque and handle that all seemed to have the same pagination. Nobody bid except me and another bidder for this Hobbs. The thing that’s raised my doubts is it seems to have been masked off on parts when it’s been sprayed. I’ll have a go again to see if I can load pics.
Well I'd need a lot more convincing as the London address may well be correct, it's the rest of the plate that doesn't add up to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren63
Consider any of George Price's plates of that style, ie the treble patent, improved patent etc. The first thing that's noticeable is the quality of the actual castings, and all of the fine detail. They are beautifully cast plates with precise detail and crisp definition throughout, whereas that one isn't.
With regards to lettering, the George Price plates of that style Ive seen have always read PRICE'S with an apostrophe, and not PRICE without the apostrophe like that one.
All the ones I've seen have had the same style font top and bottom within concentric circles, not a mixture of fonts or with and without serifs within the same circle like that one has. 'LONDON' should be in the same font as 'GEORGE PRICE' and with the serifs on the letters.
With regards to the lack of 212 markings I honestly don't know, but it's clear to see on that one that the quatrefoils used instead were positioned by the pattern maker, presumably after 10 pints of strong beer. Again, the ones I've seen had the little oval 212 badges equally spaced between the top and bottom arcs of lettering.
Just seems unlikely to me that a company like GP that's known for such noticeable high quality would break tradition and use a mishmash of wording, fonts, and mis-aligned patterns like that, whereas the Jodhpur foundries have been casting similar plates of similar quality for some time. They were presumably a worthwhile and lucrative sideline to their everyday stuff like toilet, office and hotel signs etc.
Apart from all the stuff you’ve mentioned, I would make a lot more effort showing any detail on a photo as opposed to sticking it through a scanner. I’ve looked at all the adverts shown on Graces and I’ve yet to see one that actually says 86 Queen st.! It’s the first time I’ve been to Graces website, not what I was expecting. Can anyone just bang a picture on? If so I’m surprised they would allow such a low quality picture to be posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren63
There were 3 resolutions of the picture on the Grace's site to choose from, I clicked on the largest which was more than adequate to see it clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren63