Are these used in America and who first made them?
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Are these used in America and who first made them?
Yes, the name here is "night depository" but I can't help much with the history.
Well Hello That solid bronze fascia plate is heavy which does come off by the way Tom ,
This I expect you know, The one you show is of course a Chatwood Rotary (which goes with saying really) probably made in about the early 1930s possibly just before, the lock to open the trap is in the bottom right hand corner. One I remember has a yale spring bolt fitted and yes there are still some in sevice today though the use of the bank wallet deposit service has fallen into decline due to security companies calling at the retail shops.
As to other companies making a rotary trap both Chubb and Ratner have Im not sure if Tann ever produced one, I have probably forgotten; no doubt someone will correct me!
The earliest US patent I found doing a simple search for "night depository" on Google Patents was filed in 1925 (1,576,125).
In 1930 Chatwood introduced the first night safes, which were taken up by the Midland Bank, who eventually installed over 1,250 of them. Chatwood had a monopoly on these for two years before being copied by Chubb and then by other makers. No patent seems to have been granted though. Maybe the American patent, of just a few years previous, was not extended to the UK
I've run across this YEO plate on a couple Diebold night depository receiving chests I've worked on. Didn't get a pic of the outside head but if you zoom on the pic it is shown. This is the 1925 patent mentioned. Somewhere I have a pic of what is most likely an older nite drop with a small round door if I can only find it. Doug
Here it is and it was not older. A couple years later and by O B McClintock, which was a company better known for vault ventilators. They were later bought out by Diebold, I think. Doug
With no rotary tray, how did that work securely?
Looking at US patent 1,704,865 it looks like this: after opening the outer door there is a drawer you pull out, put your deposit into it, and push the drawer back which then dumps into the chute. Same general principle as a rotary tray but it's linear instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Gordon
Here are two Chatwood's - one is similar to the earlier posting and the other is a different design -one opens upwards and the other downwards!!
I am guessing that the shiniest one doesnt have a lock and was put inside the banking hall while the other one was on the outside of the building (keyed alike with a Yale lock on a nozzled brass straight lock incorporating a roller on the end of the bolt) -maybe the shiniest one is the Midland Bank original version (original for Chatwood that is)
Very nice indeed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Gordon
Hi Tom I think you will find the one on the left is a Chubb C/A as you see complete with the now non exsistant Westminster badge bank on the opening part of the facia(Chubb Adaptable) And the 5 levered key lock is on the right hand side at the middle of the fixed bronze facia place if you look you can just see the escutcheon coverplate.
Up until about 5years ago at least one was in service in the SW UK and still may be?
The wallet was put in to an inner bucket with a flap and this was sent though the trap to the Night safe via a system of 4 chains on cogs on reaching the inside of the N/S the flap ejected the wallet in to the safe
If I had a £1 for every one I took out the wall and fixed I wouldnt be here now.
We at Chubb always thought that for what they did the design was far to complex.
Regards Ant
I have banked with Nat West for 25 years (tip to everyone, Santander Bank give you free business banking and it really is normally free) and still I didn't know that it was their logo.
The design is very close to Chatwood's although I imagine that this is mainly due to form following function.
Big excitement -a good customer of mine owns the freehold of a property in a small town which was leased to The Midland Bank and they are giving back the lease. I hopped over there at lunchtime but all safes had already been removed and no sign of a bronze night deposit safe.
Well You will have to remember Tom that with the demise of N/S Trap useage in the smaller branches a lot of these went years ago some more than 20 years plus it was more than probably a Chubb pull out drawer type some of these older one of this design had solid bronze facia but the later post war were a poor replica in as much as it was a thin1/16 pressed stainless or brass plate on a mild steel backing Regards Ant
The reason there was hope was because this was in Budleigh Salterton - a small town in Devon, known all over Britain, as a byword for being old fashioned, behind the times, left behind by the modern world....much like Wales really :-)
a few more that I have found on my travels that havent yet been levered off by Pikeys:-
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Just for fun does anybody know the one Main difference in these photos other than the different designs?
Surely it's obvious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant
The only important difference is whether they were made by Chatwood or some other and inferior company :-)
It could be that one is a building and the rest are Traps!
Or
It could be that pictures two and five are drawers and the rest are rotary
But I expect that its none of these…?
go on Ant enlighten us.
It appears that #1 requires a cylinder key and all the others, except #3 which doesn't seem to require a key, use a bit key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant
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Ooops, meant #4 has no key. Can't tell if 3 requires one or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBE
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And here I thought it might have something to do with how easily one could be "levered off by Pikeys". That's a good one Tom.
Well for a start (sorry Tom) none were made by Chatwood, these all barr one were Chubb manufactured The odd one out in of course the John Tann! being one which is the last one (far right) They all are quite heavy the two rotarys are well lumpy, and pretty secure in the wall Not sure which will become a sought after collecters item but pehaps if you get the chance all might be worth something one day.
Anyone else seen a bank looking like the picture which includes The Midland Bank trap?
Well Yes, many Chubb 2H night safe traps of this type were suppied to another well known UK High st bank though later modified without a solid bronze facia (cheaper to manufactor I supose) another one that I wish for a penny for everyone worked on
Regards to all
pictures????