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sorting through some old lock stuff and parts, and have a couple of questions;
never heard of a chubb 3r36 before, anyone have any info or pictures of one?
also, what where the chubb detainer range called that used the security keys and curtains, and are curtains still available to buy anywhere?
3G135 blanks are available at Aldridges but the bolt throwers may be less easy to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
They were either left or right hand cranks, although almost always only one of the hands in the UK.
3G135 AKA the "Fortress"
thanks for the answers and ids, I have both hands of the blanks but no curtains, and wondered if they were still available anywhere, cheers.
They are probably orderable as a special from union via aldridge -but only one hand I am guessingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
Cheers Tom, have emailed Aldridge and Union to ask the question.
John Walsh at Aldridge is the man to speak toQuote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
John.walsh@aldridgesecurity.co.uk
No luck from Aldridges and no reply from Union, was playing about today adapting a 6 guage thrower and by the look of it you cannot just change the throwers, as the case and hardplate needs filing as well, also these must be single sided use unless you use a keys from one side and b keys from the other.
has anyone ever seen one of these locks in real life?
Your lock is marked 5G110 (that could either be mislabelled or perhaps a single sided bolt thrower version of the 3G135 or equally likely, an earlier single sided version of the 3G135).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
This is a 3g135 bolt thrower and you can see that the cranked key will enter from both sides. I have sold a few in my time. I suspect that the other hand was for foreign use or perhaps for the M.O.D.Attachment 18431
That writing on the lock was from me 5g for 5 gauge and 110 for the lock, I adapted a 110 and 6 gauge curtain to suit the fortress keys, but never having seen one couldn't figure out how it would work from both sides unless you used a and b section keys, didn't realise that the curtain is profiled to allow entry from both blank profiles unless it is the 3g135 case itself that stops the wrong key profile from entering.
Thanks for putting that picture up Tom.
The case had a spike that restricted key entry to one hand or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
The lock may have been made available for single sided entry though with a different follower
Cheers Tom, that is a lot easier way to do it than the way I went about it if I want to make some up.
I've got at least two Fortress knocking around somewhere, one is probably very early eighties at a guess, with dark blue box with the black lock silhouette on the cover, other one is the later light blue open ended boxes from the 90s.
Tom its interesting what you said about the hands on the key profiles, I had never noticed they were always cranked the one way.
We supplied a few over the years (considering the price of them!) although not many compared to the basic castle 110s.
Can remember back then you could get the Fortress off the shelf with 3, 6 or 9 keys as they were classed as "restricted", so we usually ordered them with 6 as sod's law the customer would always ask you for a couple more a month or so later.
Never noticed which hand the keys were though, so when I get a chance I'll dig out the ones I have and have a look.
Well this morning was our annual half dry day of sunshine here in Wales, so it was time to empty the shed and find that long forgotten crate of old Chubb locks.
Disappointed to find only the one Fortress, but did find a 3M51 clutch bolt and a big 3J60 hiding with it. The rest are all the more recent packaging 5 lever, 7 lever domestic range and a few more 5 detainers.
Having moved everything from BMX bikes, outboard motors and wheelchairs as well as the countless crates and boxes of stuff I'll never use in a million years, I now realise why our friends across the pond are always having 'yard sales'..
please let me know when you have your yard sale!
Am I right in thinking that the hardplate on the fortess would take either section key, the ward is on the mild steel case part?
Apologies Gary, didn't see this when I added the photos. Yes you are right, it's actually quite intricate where they've formed the ward, not only the shape cut but its also counterbored to form the recess/bearing for the bolt thrower to pivot, and the hardplate then spot welded on top like on the later pattern 110's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
Cheers Huw.
If the 'Fortress' was 3G135, what and when was the 3G71? all I know is pre-1962.
Hi Gary,Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
I saw your question on Google and have joined so I can answer it for you. The Chubb 3R36 was a short lived roller bolt version of the 3R35 along with a split follower and panic bar operated variant. I hope this helps you ,Cheers, Chris Taylor
Welcome here Chris.
I can add that the 3R36 was in Chubb's 1971 catalogue, but not 1978. I don't know when it appeared.
Incidentally, even in 1978 the detainers on these two have no lip at the bottom to prevent overlifting above the probe, but there is a moulded plastic piece above.
However the 1978 detainers in both 3G135 Fortress (see Huw's phots), and 3G110 Castle do have lips. 3G135 is not in the 1971 catalogue.
Cheers Chris, is that the Manchester Chris Taylor?
Hi Gary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Stephenson
Eye that’s me.
Chris