Pillards No 19 Combo sequence
Thanks so much everyone!
I should have explained more fully from the start, but didn't want to tediously list Every variant way of dialing I've tried, including what everyone has suggested.
Before my initial posts, I'd ALSO gone thru each L-R-L_R and R-L-R_L variant with my numbers (Starting at both 0 on the dial/index line AND Starting from the 1st #, etc)...and then
1) proceeding (exactly as advised) from each # onward, ignoring the last #, ignoring 0 ,
2) proceeding using the last # passed to count the revolutions and stopping on the next#,
3) adding / reducing each number of revolutions for each # IN the sequence (starting 5x4x4x, 5x4x3x, 5x4x2, 5x3x3, 5x3x2, etc....4x4x4, 4x4x3, 4x4x2, 4x3x3, 4x3x2, etc..thru 3x3x3, 3x3x2...and so forth), using both of the above methods (and anything else I could think of / try) for both L-R-L_R and R-L-R_L sequences,
and basically every other thing i came across.
I'd gone at this logically, methodically, and with common sense to that point. That's why, when I began posting, I set ego 100% aside - to ask for ANY firsthand knowledge of, or ideally access to (enabling a hard test to 100% eliminate any and all other sequence variants once and for all) of a Pillards N0 19 combination lock.
I appreciate ANY help, and I'm trying it ALL as I receive it - even if I've tried those same methods a hundred times - in the hopes that I can eliminate at least some of the variables in this process.
I have tried about every method I could scour up on the net, and cannot get the safe to open again.. and yet: it Did- ONCE, with the numbers I have. Otherwise I would simply think the NUMBERS were incorrect at this point. Thus, you can see my frustration. :@: LoL
SO: I thank you for your continued patience with me folks. :D:
I truly DO appreciate Any and All assistance, advice, options, suggestions, or guesses - and I DO try any tip I receive - regardless of whether or not I've tried that exact method previously.
My father left me these safes when he passed away just 2 months ago and so perhaps they are, in a way, one of the last Tasks I can do with / for him. It's kind of important to me.
So I sincerely do thank Everyone for their continued help, once again. Keep em comin. :)-:
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RE: Pillards No 19 Dialing Sequence / No 10
Thanks Yankee
I'll definitely give this a go. My No 19 looks much more similar to your No 10 than to the No 17, and your sequence matches the L-R-L-R sequence my father had written down. You'd mentioned in your earlier post that the locks are sensitive to Bolt pressure. Should I therefore hold pressure ON the bolt handle? And would you recommend pressure Toward the locked bolt position, or Away from locked, while dialing?
For reference: My safe has the hinges on the left side of the door, the dial in middle-Left, and bolt handle to the Left side of the door. Door locks on the Left.
Lastly, you'd also mentioned an unusual Drop point with these locks. I've only actually heard the drop Once lol - and it SEEMED loudly audible and obvious at the time - but HOW much "stop" should I expect to notice on the final dial turn? A "tick", a "click", a slight resistance, or a full "catch and stop" that prevents further dial rotation in that direction?
Again, forgive the simplicity of these questions. It's just that I've tried SO many ways, logically, and I know what I should expect for most Other locks: but since none of that works HERE, I think there Must be something unique and simple to THESE / This lock - something non-industry-standard that I'm missing.
Thanks so much for your help. :)-::)-:
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Originally Posted by
Yankee
The Pillards number 10, is a rare latch lock.
It has three wheels and a driver. Note the unusual fence drop in point.
This dialing sequence is like today's modern locks:
Left 4x to first number
Right 3x to the second number
Left 2x to the third number
Right until the dial stops.
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Safe Door Details Correction
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Originally Posted by
David Hovey
I'm confused as to the hand of your door. This would make a big difference in the dialing sequence of your safe if you have a left hand lock. Posting a picture of the full front would help.
DH
Apologies, all details were as listed, Except: the hinges are on the Right side of the door.
Dial is Left of middle, Bolt handle is to Left of Dial. The throw bolt engages from the Left side of the door into the Left side of the safe. Door swings open on the hinges, L to R.
(Sorry, I'm not sure Why but the when I upload the photos it rotates them sideways.)