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    Default S&G lock manyfactured 1911

    First of I know nothing about safes or locks. I purchased a home some years ago that had a very large US Postal Service safe, made by (Phoenix Safe Company) placed into the basement prior to the home being built above it. I am interested in using the safe but realized that the lock is broken. I took the lock out of the door a found that the lock was made by Sargent & Greenleaf. It has a date of August 09, 1911 "etched" on the side of the brass locking mechanism. Inside are three brass wheels with numbers corresponding holes. Between each of the wheel is a spacer/washer with a "pin" attached that changes the combination by placing the pin in a numbered slot or hole.

    My question is: Are there parts available for these old safes. One of the "pins" is broken off preventing the middle wheel from being turned by the top wheel.


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    If you can post a picture or two of the lock and dial we might be able to ID it. But I would take the time to call around for a safe tech and ask him as he would be able to get lock to replace it. Unless you want to keep the old type of lock. Newer locks are better in some ways.
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    Usually a date on a lock refers to a patent date, but I could not find a Sargent & Greenleaf patent on that date (in fact, it appears not to be a Tuesday, and US patents have always been issued on a Tuesday).

    As mentioned, pictures would help. From the description, this is probably a low-end S&G lock because of the combination-changing mechanism. A safe/locksmith might be able to repair the lock but you have to decide whether to restore the safe using the original lock, or replace the lock with a newer one which would be more secure and easier to change. The original would probably be OK. Just be very careful it's working properly before locking the door!

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    Attached is an image of a lock that might be similar to what you are describing. In this case the wheels are rather small, maybe 1 1/4 inch diameter. This is from a small cabinet/locker style lock.

    Is this what you're talking about?

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